User:Blue Sphere/Planning
Skeleton of existing Unit archetypes
Vocal archetypes
- [$$] votica: P-SSR4 Kiriko + P-SSR4 Sakuya + more or less generic lim supports
- [$$$] vostray: P-SSR4 Asahi + P-SSR3 Mei + specific straylight lim supports
- [$$$] vokura: P-SSR5 Chiyoko + P-SSR5 Kaho + Glory S-SSR5 Juri (too recent)
- [$$$$] vochill: P-SSR2 Toru + P-SSR2 Madoka + Rookie S-SSR1 Hinana + Party S-SSR1 Koito
Dance archetypes
- [$$$] ≠ dantica: P-SSR3 Yuika + Sentou S-SSR5 Kiriko + S-SSR5 Natsuha
- [$$$] dastray: P-SSR2 Fuyuko + Sentou S-SSR5 Kiriko + S-SSR5 Natsuha + S-SSR4 Fuyuko
Visual archetypes
- [$] vistro: P-SSR4 Tenka + generic lim supports
- [$$] vistray: P-SSR2 Asahi + uchi kuru S-SSR2 Mei
Illumination STARS
- [$$$] P-SSR6 Mano + P-SSR6 Hiori + rooftop S-SSR10 Mano
Important limited banners to know about
- Selected list of 2020 and 2019 limited banners which have not been rerun yet
- Crowd-sourced from the Shiny Colors Discord with special thanks to Rezarhb and Chou
2020 Banners
2020 Vocal
- (2020/1/1-1/10) [Double]
- P-SSR4 Kiriko and S-SSR2 Fuyuko for generic Vo and Vostray
- (2020/4/30-5/13) [Double]
- P-SSR4 Sakuya and Footbath S-SSR5 Kogane for generic Vo and Votica
- (2020/6/30-7/10) [Double]
- P-SSR2 Toru and S-SSR1 Hinana for Vochill
- (2020/9/30-10/12)
- P-SSR3 Mei for Vostray, S-SSR1 Koito for Vochill
- (2020/10/21-10/31)
- P-SSR2 Madoka for Vochill and Sentou S-SSR5 Kiriko for generic Da
- (2020/11/30-12/11) [Meta-defining]
- Glory S-SSR5 Juri for every setup
2020 Da
- (2020/5/31-6/10)
- Bride P-SSR5 Meguru for IS, Railroad S-SSR3 Asahi for Dastray
- (2020/7/21-7/31) [Double]
- P-SSR2 Fuyuko and Fireworks S-SSR5 Natsuha for Dastray + generic Da
- (2020/10/21-10/31) [Meta-defining]
- P-SSR2 Madoka for Vochill, Onsen S-SSR5 Kiriko for generic Da
2020 Vi
- (2020/2/29-3/10) [Double]
- P-SSR4 Amana and Avalon S-SSR5 Tenka for Vistromeria
- (2020/4/01-4/10) [Double]
- P-SSR2 Asahi and S-SSR2 Mei for ViStray + generic Vi
- (2020/4/20-4/30) [Meta-defining]
- P-SSR4 Tenka for Vistromeria, Fishing S-SSR6 Mamimi for generic QoL
- (2020/10/31-11/10)
- P-SSR5 Chiyuki for Vistromeria, Aquarium S-SSR6 Hiori for IS
2020 IS
- (2020/5/31-6/10)
- P-SSR5 Meguru for IS, Railroad S-SSR3 Asahi for Dastray
- (2020/10/31-11/10)
- P-SSR5 Chiyuki for Vistromeria, Aquarium S-SSR6 Hiori for IS
2019 Banners
2019 Vo
- none
2019 Da
- none
2019 Vi
- (2019/11/30-12/13)
- Snow S-SSR4 Chiyuki for Unit mastery/Perfect mastery for Dastro (and off-element in Vistro)
2019 IS
- (2019/4/29-5/13)
- S-SSR3 Meguru for generic QoL and good for IS
- (2019/10/31-11/10)
- Onsen S-SSR4 Hiori for IS
Personal situation
This page details the possible team comps that are the most attainable given the limited cards I currently own.
Limited cards I own
Produce Idols
- 1 P-SSR Selection ticket
- P-SSR4 Kiriko: Vo-centric, AoE stall, AoE attacker, Center, core Votica
- P-SSR4 Rinze: Vo-centric, multicolor buffer, enmity enabler (attention), memory gauge, often Leader, core Vokago, sub
- P-SSR3 Yuika: Da-centric, enmity attacker, short fights, Dance, core NE
- P-SSR5 Rinze: Vi-centric, multicolor buffer, enmity enabler (def down), memory gauge, often Leader, sub
Support Idols
- S-SSR5 Kogane: Vo-centric, 100% enmity gold passive, core Votica
- S-SSR4 Mamimi: Da-centric, 100% enmity gold passive, core in most Da archetypes
- S-SSR3 Yuika: Da-centric, melancholy-based passive, niche
- S-SSR4 Chiyuki: Da-centric, strong unit mastery, core in Dalstro
- S-SSR4 Yuika: Vi-centric, 100% enmity gold passive
- S-SSR9 Mano: ViVo-centric, strong unit masteries
Votica
For more details refer to Shiratama Anko's post
Produce Idols
L'Antica
- P-SR3 Mamimi: Leader, AoE stall
- P-SSR1 Mamimi: Leader, melancholy grief
- P-SSR4 Sakuya: Vocal, ST stall & interest-ignore
- P-SSR4 Kiriko: Center, AoE stall & interest-ignore
- P-SR2 Yuika: Dance, self-cut
- P-SSR2 Yuika: Dance, ST enmity
- P-SSR4 Yuika: Dance, gauge, Vo buff, self-cut (better P-SR2)
- P-SR1 Kogane: Visual, heal and sustain
- P-SSR4 Kogane: Visual, strong Vo buff on link
Support Idols
L'Antica
- S-SSR5 Kogane: enmity Vo buff, SP generation
- S-SSR6 Mamimi: tricolor buffs, SP generation
- S-SR3 Sakuya: off-element AoE stall appeal
- S-SSR5 Kiriko: SP generation
Sub
- S-SSR5 Juri: enmity Vo buff, enmity-enabling attention, (interest up appeal)
- S-SSR3 Kaho: enmity Vo buff, enmity-enabling attention (both weaker than Glory)
- S-SSR2 Fuyuko: active Vo buff-enabled Vo buff
Dantica
Produce Idols
Icon | Idol | Notes |
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Kogane Tsukioka | unlikely to get a pure Da limited card | |
P-SSR5 Kogane | best option among limited Ps at 4★ | |
P-SSR2 Kogane | decent at 0☆ | |
Mamimi Tanaka | will not get a limited P card this series, see P-SSR6 Mamimi | |
P-SSR6 Mamimi | decent at 0☆ for stalling/melancholy | |
P-SSR5 Mamimi | best option at 4★ for self-cut | |
Sakuya Shirase | very likely to get a limited Da P card this series, see P-SSR2 Sakuya (Vi) and P-SSR4 Sakuya (Vo) | |
P-SSR4 Sakuya | best option even off-color for stalling | |
P-SSR5 Sakuya | decent at 0☆ for damage | |
P-SSR3 Sakuya | ok at 4★ for melancholy | |
P-IdolRoad SSR1 Sakuya | decent for stats | |
Yuika Mitsumine | will not get a limited P card this series, see P-SSR6 Yuika | |
P-SSR3 Yuika | best option at 4★ for AoE damage, good Memory Appeal | |
other options not comparable in terms of firepower | ||
Kiriko Yukoku | will not get another Da limited card this series, most probably Vi or multicolor | |
P-SSR5 Kiriko | best option at 4★ for Memory Appeal | |
other options not comparable in terms of firepower |
Produce Deck
Unreleased Da limited S cards
- : conflict with S-SSR5 Kiriko and S-SSR4 Fuyuko
- Kaho
- uncertain whether she could be released in 2021, P-SSR4 Kaho exists
- Madoka
- unlikely to be released in the near future, probably too specialized to be used for Dantica
- Kaho
- : conflict with S-SSR6 Yuika and S-SSR3 Asahi
- Meguru
- could be released soon to put the final touch on Da IS comps
- Rinze
- could be released this year to alternate from limited Vokura S cards, there is no limited Rinze for Da yet
- Hinana
- same situation as Madoka
- Nichika
- likely to be released after a limited P Mikoto Aketa (maybe at the end of 2021) see User:Blue Sphere/DaSHHis
- Meguru
- : conflict with S-SSR4 Mamimi
- Hiori
- unlikely to be released in the near future since S-SSR6 Hiori exists and has a bicolor Da typing
- Tenka
- could be released later this year to complete Dalstroemeria
- Toru
- same situation as Madoka
- Mikoto
- likely to be released after a Da Nichika S card (maybe in Q1 2022)
- Hiori
- : conflict with S-SSR5 Natsuha
ViStray
Produce Idols
Straylight
- P-SSR2 Asahi: current center, AoE
- P-SSR? Fuyuko (limited) (should be the Vi counterpart of the 2nd series of limited Produce Straylight idols)
- P-SSR? Mei (limited) (should be the Vi counterpart of the 3rd limited series)
Extra
- P-SSR5 Rinze: gauge charger, buffer
- P-SSR4 Mamimi: enmity attacker, AoE
- P-SSR? Kaho (limited): maybe interest up?
- P-SSR? Chiyoko (limited): maybe interest up?
Produce Deck Options
Support | Notes |
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S-SSR1 Fuyuko (permanent) | |
S-SSR2 Madoka (permanent) | |
S-SSR3 Kiriko (limited) | |
S-SSR? Fuyuko (limited) ♥ | S-SSR? Fuyuko is likely to be the Visual part of the 3rd generation of limited Straylight supports with S-SSR? Asahi (Vocal) and S-SSR? Mei (Dance) |
S-SSR4 Yuika (limited) ♥ | |
S-SSR7 Meguru (event) | |
S-SSR? Asahi (limited) ♥ | S-SSR? Asahi is likely to be a Visual version of the 2nd generation limited Straylight supports: S-SSR4 Fuyuko and S-SSR5 Mei |
S-SSR2 Mamimi (permanent) | |
S-SSR5 Amana (permanent) | |
S-SSR5 Sakuya (limited) | |
S-SSR? Amana (limited) | S-SSR? Amana (Visual) could be more useful than S-SSR5 Tenka for ViStray |
S-SSR? Mamimi (limited) ♥ | S-SSR? Mamimi is the only remaining piece of the L'Antica limited Visual support series and likely to provide a strong enmity Visual passive skill |
S-SSR2 Koito (permanent) | |
S-SSR2 Mei (limited) ♥ | |
S-SSR6 Kogane (limited) |
Note: support idols marked with a ♥ icon are probably going to be preferred.
Investment Plan
- spark on the banner rerun:
- P-SSR2 Asahi (at least 1 copy)
- S-SSR2 Mei (at least 1 copy)
- (optional) spark on the banner rerun:
- P-SSR5 Rinze (more copies welcome)
- S-SSR5 Sakuya (at least 1 copy)
- (optional) ticket P-SSR4 Mamimi (allows skipping her rerun banner)
- spark on a future S-SSR? Asahi banner
- spark on a future P-SSR? Fuyuko banner
- spark on a future P-SSR? Mei banner
- spark on a future S-SSR? Fuyuko banner
FES Unit example
From Shiina's note post 【シャニマス】Viストレイでグレフェス頑張るその1(グレ7 3/12~22) of March 21st 2021.
DaStray
Produce Idols
Straylight
Asahi
- every Asahi released so far needs a complete overhaul for this team composition
Fuyuko
- P-SSR2 Fuyuko (limited): Center, link memory appeal user, memory gauge utility
- memory appeal granting
- memory appeal link consuming a maximum of and a total of 4x / (e.g. )
- requires a minimum of + 2x / before memory appeal to reach max potency (6x multiplier)
- can be used at the earliest on T3 assuming Mei and Asahi carry buffing appeals
- one appeal granting a tricolor buff suffices to get 2x /
- P-SSR4 Mei's 0☆ appeal grants
- utility appeals granting and memory gauge (15% and 25% respectively)
- panel has aged compared to more recent cards, can be used at 0☆
- 4★ appeal is not that much more powerful than 0☆
- no crucial passives to purchase either
Mei
- P-SSR4 Mei (permanent)
- P-IdolRoad SSR1 Mei (Idol Road)
- good amount of Dance Limit UP at 3☆ (115) purchasable with 1 unwanted passive (which can trigger on T4+)
Subs
- P-SSR5 Kiriko (limited): Da enmity, auto-revive, strong buffs
- P-SSR5 Chiyoko (limited): interest 50% down [3T] 100% up [5T]
- P-SSR5 Kaho (limited): AoE interest 20% down [2T] 25% up [5T]
- P-SSR4 Sakuya (limited): interest 50% down [3T], memory gauge up
- P-SSR4 Kiriko (limited): AoE interest 20% down [3T]
- P-SSR4 Rinze (limited) and P-SSR5 Rinze (limited): memory gauge up, multicolor buffs
Speculation
- Da P-SSR? Asahi (limited): probably AoE attacker
- Da P-SSR? Mei (limited): probably buffer/enabler
- Da P-SSR? Rinze (limited): probably gauge charger and multicolor buffs cf. P-SSR4 Rinze and P-SSR5 Rinze
Produce Deck
Buffing Support Appeals
Good options
- S-SSR4 Fuyuko:
- S-SSR10 Mano:
- S-SSR2 Asahi:
- can only be learned by Mei
- S-SSR3 Asahi:
- can only be learned by Mei
- S-SR1 Asahi:
- can only be learned by Mei
- requires several unwanted passive skills
Lesser options
- S-SSR1 Fuyuko:
- Vi 3x appeal
- S-SSR6 Meguru:
- Vo 3x appeal
- S-SR4 Mano: [2T]
- conflicts with S-SSR10 Mano
- S-SR6 Hiori: [2T]
- Vo 2.3x appeal
Fallback options
- S-SSR1 Meguru:
- S-SSR1 Mei:
- can only be learned by Asahi
- Vo 2.5x appeal
- requires several unwanted passive skills
- S-SSR1 Asahi:
- can only be learned by Mei
- requires several unwanted passive skills
- S-SSR5 Mano:
- Vi 2.5x appeal
- conflicts with S-SSR10 Mano
- S-SR1 Hiori:
- Vi 2.5x appeal
Notes
- Buff duration mentioned only when less than 3T
Main Picks
Support | Notes |
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S-SSR5 Kiriko (limited) ♥ | strongest Da buff in the game |
S-SSR4 Fuyuko (limited) ♥ | conflict with S-SSR5 Kiriko |
S-SSR2 Asahi (permanent) | |
S-SSR3 Asahi (limited) | |
S-SSR6 Rinze (limited) | conflict with either Asahi cards |
S-SSR3 Mamimi (permanent) | |
S-SSR4 Mamimi (limited) | |
S-SSR5 Natsuha (limited) ♥ | crucial enmity enabler |
S-SSR3 Mei (permanent) | |
S-SSR? Mei (limited) |
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- 2 Insight conflicts to resolve make deck building likely to leave out one of two limited Straylight supports
Example Top 100 unit
Fes Unit used by あっしゅ to reach #27 of the G7 Top 100 on June 7 2021.
Build
- P-SSR5 Rinze 1☆
- appeals: self 0☆ appeal and 4★ appeal from S-SSR3 Mamimi
- passive skills: self 1☆ skill, 1☆ and 2☆ skills from S-SSR5 Natsuha, 2☆ skill from S-SSR5 Kiriko, and 2☆ skill from S-SSR3 Mamimi
- P-SSR4 Sakuya 0☆
- appeals: self 0☆ appeal and 4★ appeal from S-SSR3 Mamimi
- passive skills: 1☆ and 2☆ skills from S-SSR5 Natsuha, 2☆ skill from S-SSR5 Kiriko, 2☆ skill from S-SSR3 Mamimi, and 2☆ skill from S-SSR4 Fuyuko
- P-SSR2 Fuyuko 4★
- appeals: self 0☆ appeal and self 4★ appeal
- passive skills: self 1☆ skill, 1☆ and 2☆ skills from S-SSR5 Natsuha, 2☆ skill from S-SSR5 Kiriko
- P-IdolRoad SSR1 Mei 4★
- appeals: 4★ appeal from S-SSR4 Fuyuko and 4★ appeal from S-SSR3 Mamimi
- P-SSR4 Asahi 0☆
- appeals: 4★ appeal from S-SSR4 Fuyuko and 4★ appeal from S-SSR3 Mamimi
Strategy
- stall with S-SSR3 Mamimi's 4★ appeal: interest 70% down [1T] and P-SSR4 Sakuya's 0☆ appeal: interest 50% interest down [3T]
- accumulate multicolor buffs with P-SSR5 Rinze's 0☆ appeal: 50% Vo/Da/Vi [4T], S-SSR4 Fuyuko's 4★ appeal: 20% Da [5T] + 10% Da/Vi [10T], and P-SSR2 Fuyuko's 0☆ and 4★ appeals: resp. 5% and 10% Vo/Da [resp. 5T and 10T]
- use full-power memory appeal
Investment Plan
- spark on the banner rerun
- P-SSR2 Fuyuko (at least 1 copy)
- S-SSR5 Natsuha (at least 1 copy)
- wait for a limited S-SSR selection ticket to get S-SSR5 Kiriko
- rerun of banner will probably be much later
- P-SSR2 Madoka would be hard to use without proper support
Future Releases
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DaSHHis
Produce Idols
SHHis
- future P-SSR? Mikoto: speculated to be a Da version of P-SSR2 Nichika with passives favoring Illumination Stars, L'Antica, and Houkago Climax Girls
- P-SSR1 Nichika: Da/Vi, Mikoto appeal buffs, memory gauge passive
Helpers
- Option 1: AoE appeal focus
- P-SSR6 Mano: tricolor buffs (active and passive), Da buffs, Da-oriented All AoE appeals (or future P-SSR6? Hiori)
- P-SSR3 Yuika: enmity AoE & attention down ST appeals
- P-SSR5 Rinze: tricolor buffs (active and passive), memory damage up, memory gauge passive, not a Da idol (or future Da limited P-SSR? Rinze)
- Option 2: NE-SHHis
- P-SSR3 Yuika
- P-SSR5 Kiriko: second L'Antica role to buff P-SSR3 Yuika, enmity Da buffs
- P-SSR5 Rinze
- Option 3: ST Interest
- P-SSR6 Mano: tricolor buffs
- P-SSR4 Sakuya: ST Interest Down, memory gauge active, not a Da idol
- P-SSR5 Chiyoko: ST Interest Down then Up, Attention Up passives, not a Da idol
- Option 4: AoE Interest
- P-SSR6 Mano
- P-SSR4 Kiriko: AoE Interest Down, not a Da idol
- P-SSR5 Kaho: AoE Interest Down then Up, not a Da idol
Produce Deck Options
Support | Notes |
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S-SSR5 Kiriko (limited) ♥ | 150% Da Up passive below 35% Mental |
S-SSR10 Mano (limited) ♥ | 100% Da Up passive on VoDaVi Up active |
S-SSR6 Yuika (permanent) | Dance Mastery Stamina |
S-SSR? Nichika (limited) ♥ | something with above 3 Units? |
S-SSR4 Mamimi (limited) | 100% Da Up passive below 50% Mental |
S-SSR? Mikoto (limited) | something with above 3 Units? |
S-SSR5 Natsuha (limited) ♥ | Attention Up passive to easily lower Mental |
P-SSR1 Nichika Support Deck Example
- S-SSR5 Kiriko
- S-SSR6 Yuika
- S-SSR4 Mamimi
- S-SSR? Mikoto
- S-SSR5 Natsuha
Notes:
- no S-SSR10 Mano: P-SSR1 Nichika needs to use both her own appeals
- maybe Vocal/Visual position since her main role is to buff Mikoto
- at least 1 bond with Mikoto
P-SSR? Mikoto Support Deck Example
- S-SSR5 Kiriko
- S-SSR? Nichika
- S-SSR4 Mamimi
- S-SSR5 Natsuha
Notes:
- no S-SSR10 Mano: P-SSR? Mikoto needs to use both her own appeals
- Dance position if she has no AoE appeal?
- at least 1 bond with Nichika